March On Washington

[PintoBean]

Hello All:

The primary focus of this message board is to provide us with a private space away from prying eyes where we can discuss the merits of organizing and implementing a march on Washington, DC to protest Bush and the Republican's plan to create a Guest Worker plan, and give Amnesty to over 15 million illegal aliens that are already here.

So far, in private messages there seems to be two main thoughts that are prevalent:

1. Said March should be targeted for a holiday extensively American in scope, such as the Fourth of July.

2. That all efforts should be made to include any and all other organizations in the planning of this event. I completely agree with this, and would encourage all of us to share this link with people we know are trustworthy.

Not expressed by others, but my own belief is the March has to be one of SIGNIFICANT size, or we will defeat our own goals in organizing it.

So, please start sharing your own ideas and thoughts on this, and if any of you are willing to sit on a committee, I would like to officially form a exploratory committee whose sole purpose will be to take the ideas generated from this board, organize them, and put out a inquiry sheet to some of the other organizations to get their feedback and help on this event.

Pinto Bean

[carolinagal]

OK--I'll start. I stated yesterday on another forum where the idea isn't quite so well accepted that if things do not change by the end of this month that I will be among the people who go to Washington DC 4th of July Week end.

I am tired of tapping away on this keyboard -- and I've been doing it for five years now!-- with so little by way of results. I could paper a room with the evasive replies I've received from senators and congressmen all over this country. The spineless attitude most of them display makes me want to vomit! Those who turn their backs on American citizens in favor of illegal aliens makes me furious! After all, illegals didn't vote them into office-- or did they?

I think that by April 1st we should have some idea whether anything is going to be done, if anything. If they are going to fiddle around some more to avoid making a decision, I think we have every right to meet them on their own turf and ask them what is going on. We are Americans and we deserve at least a straight answer.

Now, I wonder about the July 4th weekend. Will they be there then?

For me, it has to be in summertime because I have other considerations that prevent me from being away from September through May and in June of this year I have a prior commitment that I cannot set aside.

I think that the July 4th time frame for travelers would be great and I would be able to accomodate some of the travelers, which I've discussed with PintoBean already, during that time frame.

However, will there be anyone in Washington to hear our complaints?

Just questions. Awaiting more feedback.

[PintoBean]

Hi Carolinagal:

Good to have you here.

Alipac/William for some reason is not overly supportive of a march, least not at the present moment, though he's not elaborated on his reasons that I am aware of.

I think any one who has watched the news these past few days knows that the pro-illegaly alien movement is winning the media war with their marches, and if they are winning the media war, they are going to win some kind of Amnesty, so think a march becomes all that more impariative for our cause.

Question becomes...how do we get people behind this movement, get them to March on Washington, DC.

Any one have some ideas?

I'm thinking maybe the first thing we should do would be to write a letter, and send it privately to some of the key organizations in this fight, such as the Minutemen.

Pinto Bean

[greyparrot]

I used to think we had a very good advantage over the illegals when it came to voicing our opposition to any bill that includes a guest worker (amnesty) provision using phone calls, letters, and faxes...simply for the fact that we speak and write in english. We KNOW our voices are being heard but it has become obvious that we are not being listened to ...AT ALL! Heck, the staffers for both Biden and Carper dont even bother to argue the guest worker vs amnesty aspect anymore. I suspect this is because they now realize we know better, so it is pointless to even try.

I remember Spector, at one point, stated that he wasnt hearing much consituient opposition to his bill. That is absolute BS! The faxes and phone calls tracked through Numbers USA alone dispute that claim. That says to me that these traitors can and will intentionally create the illusion that Americans seem OK with this.

Yep, it is high time to stop spinning our wheels, get off our collective duffs, and MARCH on Washington!

[PintoBean]

Hi Grey Parrot:

Look, it's very simple...it's about CHEAP LABOR for big business, and a drive to globilize the workforce, which again is CODE for CHEAP LABOR.

If we think we can sit back and write easily dismissed emails and faxes coupled with the just as easily dismissed occassional call, we are WRONG.

In today's America, it all boils down to who can carry the 24 hour News cycle, and so far, we have been totally out flanked by the illegals who are funded by big business, the Catholic Church, and certain elements of our own government who endorse the agenda of Corporate America.

Short of us as Middle Class America taking a stand and marching, we are going to lose, and right now, not sure the middle class is willing to take a stand. How many people on Alipac have said...a walk is inconvenient for me, I have to work, I'd have to find a baby sitter, it's too far to drive, I'm doing what I can by being here on this site, add whatever excuse you want...meanwhile, those who want to steal away our way of life are making the sacrifices to be at their marches.

Pinto Bean

[Obbop]

Logistical problems, the distance from the western parts of the USA, the immense number of lackeys of the elite class also known as jack-booted thugs, and other reasons, makes me think Washington DC is not the best location for a march.

Yes, Wash. DC is "important" but to have a march with the largest number of participants possible a more central location would likely attract more people.

Another consideration; folks such as I will have to sleep in the pick-up since the cost of lodging is prohibitive. A larger city away from the crowded conditions of the Wash. DC area would allow those requiring alternative sleeping arrangements to access parking lots, camp grounds, etc.

Also, a march does not have to be a one-day event. Have a place for folks to rally, to mingle, to have speakers. Have a full day of events with a march the next day.

Invite Tancredo and others to speak.

Invite various groups.

Make the event appealing to folks so those who might not attend what is merely a march would want to attend to be part of an event.

Organize and distribute a one-page flyer with rules and regulations.... a bare minimum, to keep things civil and peaceful.

Concentrate of the "fun" aspect to keep things civil. Let the number of people "speak" for itself.

More ideas to come.......

[americanelizabeth]

Hi, I just signed myself in. The idea of a central location would be good, as yes, the majority of us are on "prohibitive" incomes. I had thought of Arizona right away because of their fight to control the problem of illegals there, and it is somewhat central. But then of course for those in the east coast, it would be a big trip. So, the location should be central and have meaning to our fight. How about Tancredo country? I have always wanted to see Colorado. So if it is in the summertime, like Fourth of July, we could plan to find a campground and cut costs for the majority of the trip. Just another thought. Planning a march, on a major holiday and then camp out to do it!! All American way to do it!! So, lets look at our Atlas' and think about a central and meaningful location that can accomodate thousands of campers!!!!!

[PintoBean]

Hi All:

Think from a logistics stand point if you look at the majority of the population, Washington, DC is the logical choice. Furthermore, it's actually easily accessible by both New York and New Jersey, two of the top six states when it comes to population of illegals. We also are fairly easily accessible for Florida, Georgia, North and South Carolina, West Virginia, Penn and Ohio and not too difficult for many in Indiana, Illinios and Kentucky.

I've been to Colorado...once you are there, it is a BIG state, and the only real place you could hold it would have to be Denver, and think if you look, that's not really practical for any one. Out in the Southwest, you have one big city, then nothing for LARGE stetches of forever, whereas on the East Coast, you have big city after big city....think about it, if it is held in Washington, you have Richmond, you have Baltimore, New York, Philiadelphia and one and on, all MAJOR US cities, and all within around 8-10 hours tops drive from the capital. Even cities like Dayton and Cinncinnati in Ohio, or Louisville Kentucky are within a 12 hour drive.

What I do know, is after todays Judiciary hearings, we HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

Pinto Bean

[carolinagal]

obbop mentioned asking for speakers. I can tell you that Tancredo went all over this country to speak. The biggest crowd he drew was 400 people as far as I know. He was right in the heart of illegal alien alley and no more than 50 showed up at any of the locations. I was embarassed. At the time I was in TX and I drove about an hour up into NM to see him. It was an honor to see the one guy in person who has never wavered off the course.

But back to a march. Are we still thinking of July 4 week end or some other time? I just don't know what to think anymore. There have been different people around the country trying to get people together and all the people seem to want to do is sit home and bi**h. When it comes time to do something, they lose interest. Even the letter writers slack off if it takes more than one letter. Even the callers are too cheap to run up a phone bill. I really don't understand.

I do, however, think that the calls and letters are having some effect. I am hoping that we will succeed without risking a war in the streets with people who are born street fighters and half of whom are would-be murderers just by their gang association.

I'm waiting for the end of the week. And I know for sure that the stuff is going to hit the fan if they give 20 million illegal aliens guest worker status and put them on a path toward permanent residence. Then there are the regular immigration caps that they raised through the roof. Where in hell do they think all these people are going to live?

[PintoBean]

Hi Carolina Gal:

First, on running up a phone bil...you need to change your service. I have two internet lines, they cost me $29 a month for all the hoots, bells and whistles including unlimited FREE CALLS to every state in America, and all of Canada....in short, no LONG DISTANCE CHARGES...well, except for the occassional calls I make to the Mexican government to jerk their chain.

I made a post on Alipac a little while ago that really spells out the logistics of a March. My wife is and events coordinator for a major college, runs over 900 events a year, and events TAKE MONEY as well as advertising. I would guess such a March ON Washington would carry a total bill of around 2 million dollars to be done right...talking stages, speakers, entertainment, and SECURITY costs that many cities now require event organizors to share a cost of, and the necessary insurance policy you would need to have in effect.

To make this happen, we need LOTS of the small organizations to join under a March umbrella and combine our efforts and funds to make this happen. The Minute Men, FAIR, all of them have to be willing to work together to make this happen. It also means that all of us as individuals need to be willing to PONY UP some money to make this happen. When I joined up at Alipac, I made a donation...was money I needed, but Alipac needed it more, their cause more important than what I would have used the money for (eating). The same goes for a march.

I'd like to see a serious March on Washington, think if we are going to do it, it has to happen now, or wait until 2008...it has to be planned and happen during and important election cycle....this year is and important election cycle.

Pinto Bean

PS...if you look at the fact that so far we only have eight members here, and not a lot of posting going on, it is going to be a up hill battle.

[ConcernedCharlottean]

I think it is time for action. Perhaps simultaneous marches could be arranged. Just like the ones the illegals put together. I would curious to know where AARP, NAACP and others feel about what is going on. AARP has a lot of pull and I guarantee if seniors think they will lose any more of their social security, they will get on board. The same with the affirmative action recipients. I will be glad to do what I can. I am willing to travel. Small price to pay for something you believe in.

[Josh]

I think we are losing the media war and that our politicans have sold us out...period! Protesting seems to be the most logical way to approach this but I have to warn all that I suspect there will be violence. I say this after seeing first hand what happened in Escondido, CA. If we have large enough numbers, that should help detour that element. I do think D.C. is the best place to do it. We need, I would say, at least 50,000 people to make a point. Also, would the minutemen group be of assistance?

[PintoBean]

Hi Concerned:

NAACP might be a good place to look for the beginnings of a serious financial donor.

I was reading a PEW report on the financial costs of illegal aliens in our American Work Force, and the African American/Black community is paying the largest price of all of us...especially the young black males who are having their incomes negatively affected by over 12 percent a year.

AARP...not sure, but think they would actually side with the legalization of illegals under the theory that it would ADD 12 million people to those contributing into the Social Security System, thus in some odd way of thinking seeing Amnesty/Guest Worker as protecting their benefits, though I would like to hope I am wrong on this thinking.

The Southern Baptist Church has taken a stand on our side, so that too could be another area to explore when it comes to funding such a march.

What would be interesting....A call to those Catholic who disagree with the Catholic Church's position on this to begin giving the March the money they would put in the collection plate on Sunday morning.

Pinto Bean

[done to who]

Who would donates make their payments too. An organization is going to have to be created that is non-partisan. Many that would not want to donate to the minutemen would be willing to donate to a immigration enforcement group. Any ideas?

[PintoBean]

Done To:

If, and right now that is a BIG IF there is enough interest in this, putting up a 501 3 C non profit organization is easy enough...

The other option, is to form a PAC, which allows us to not only have a march, but to carry on even further and work towards shaping elections in key areas of the nation.

I'm open to approaching this in any way that makes the largest number of people comfortable, while moving a march forward.

Pinto Bean